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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Sep 13, 2007 2:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: dicks picks 12 or 18

my wife has granted me permission to get a pick, and i've narrowed down to these babies. i'm leaning toward 12, but i've heard so much praise for 18 as well. what would you do? i can only get one of them.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Sep 13, 2007 7:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks 12 or 18

disk 1 of DP12 is outstanding. a HUGE China Cat > Rider, decent Truckin, very nice Spanish jam (though not quite 68 material), and a very solid Wharf Rat > Sugar Mag to end it. nice jamming all around. could be a touch mellow for the 68-69 purists, but rewarding nonetheless.

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Poster: huntr Date: Sep 13, 2007 3:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks 12 or 18


"I would buy 12"


for reasons Id rather not discuss.... heh

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Sep 13, 2007 4:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks 12 or 18

DP18 has 4 must have performances - The Music Never Stopped, and the TOO > Wharf Rat > A&A to end it. Other than that, it's solid but not great. You do get the scratchy 78 Garcia vocals throughout, which turns off some listeners.

I just got 12 a few weeks ago, and completely forgot about it. I might have reached the saturation point here.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Sep 13, 2007 2:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks 12 or 18

DP18 has some fantastic jamming, but it's one of my least favorite DPs because the (intentional?) distortion in Jerry's guitar has a harsh, sour sound that keeps me from fully enjoying it. That said, the PitB and Scarlet>Fire are epochal. DP12 is one of the few 70s DPs that I don't have.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Sep 13, 2007 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks 12 or 18

i streamed 18 on dead.net, i listened to a bit of samson. I see what you mean about jer's guitar, it sounds too bright, harsh or something. that settles it, i think i'll get 12, looks like lots of heavy jamming. i just wish they were all complete shows instead of compilations, oh well. whatcha gonna do

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Poster: Speaking in Swords Date: Sep 13, 2007 3:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks 12 or 18

Despite it being a compilation, I'd go for DP 12. I just moved recently and damn near shat myself when I couldn't find my copy of it. Thank God I didn't lose it, I woulda had a conniption.

Yeah, the jamming on it is THAT good. It's no wonder that it was released as a DP--Latvala probably went bananas when he first heard the instrumental break coming out of the WRS on the third disc.

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Poster: wineland Date: Sep 13, 2007 3:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks 12 or 18

If you want my 2 cents, go with the even dozen.

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Poster: mickmac Date: Sep 13, 2007 4:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks 12 or 18

Why don't I just burn you copies of 12 and 18 and you can buy a different one. mamcginnisathotmail.com

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Sep 13, 2007 4:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks 12 or 18

both shows are great and both shows have donna.with that said dick's pick #19 is better :)fall 73 rules!!

Tracks

Disc 1

* Promised Land (Berry)
* Sugaree (Garcia/Hunter)
* Mexicali Blues (Weir/Barlow)
* Tennessee Jed (Garcia/Hunter)
* Looks Like Rain (Weir/Barlow)
* Don't Ease Me In (Traditional arr. Grateful Dead)
* Jack Straw (Weir/Hunter)
* They Love Each Other (Garcia/Hunter)
* El Paso (Robbins)
* Row Jimmy (Garcia/Hunter)

Disc 2

* Playing In The Band (Weir/Hart/Hunter)
* China Cat Sunflower (Garcia/Hunter)
* I Know You Rider (Traditional arr. Grateful Dead)
* Me and My Uncle (Phillips)
* Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo (Garcia/Hunter)
* Big River (Cash)

Disc 3

* Dark Star (Garcia/Kreutzmann/Lesh/McKernan/Weir/Hunter)
* Mind Left Body Jam (Grateful Dead)
* Morning Dew (Dobson/Rose)
* Sugar Magnolia (Weir/Hunter)
* Eyes of the World (Garcia/Hunter)
* Stella Blue (Garcia/Hunter)
* Johnny B. Goode (Berry)

Musicians

* Jerry Garcia - lead guitar, vocals
* Donna Jean Godchaux - vocals
* Keith Godchaux - piano
* Bill Kreutzmann - drums
* Phil Lesh - bass, vocals
* Bob Weir - rhythm guitar, vocals

Credits

* Recording - Bill Candelario
* Tape Archivists - Dick Latvala, David Lemieux
* CD Mastering - Jeffrey Norman
* Archival Research - Eileen Law/Grateful Dead Archives
* Photography - Jack Seaman, Byron Nygreen
* Cover Art and Design - Tina Carpenter
* Cover Photography - David DeNoma

* Recorded on October 19, 1973 at the Fairground Arena, Oklahoma City

Notes

The rear cover of Dick's Picks 19 carries the following

Caveat Emptor

Despite a rather skeevy ouverture, the sound quality of this release quickly settles into a nice, warm groove. Listen closely, however, for you may just find that your mind will be blown by the music contained herein,

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 13, 2007 6:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks 12 or 18

As usual, Tigerbolt is correct, DP #19 is in a league all by itself! If you don't have it, don't waste one second before getting it!

That said, you really need to have all three!

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Poster: caspersvapors Date: Sep 13, 2007 4:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks 12 or 18

19 > 12 > 18

theyre all good though

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Poster: Zaorish Date: Sep 13, 2007 4:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks 12 or 18

For what it's worth, I think you should try 18, whenever you get around to it.

There's a beautiful Bertha, a smokin' Deal, one of (the?) longest Samsons ever, and the 30 min Scarlet > Fire is just epic, there's no other word for it. And the second set has just begun. The Truckin>Drums>TOO>Wharf Rat>Around & Around, US Blues sequence has some of the heaviest chord crashes I've ever heard from a Dead concert.

When Fire switches back to the Scarlet riff at the end, CRASH. At the end of the 'staircase' after the Truckin' lyrics, WHAM! Then again after the second verse of Other One, you will wonder if you are listening to a metal concert. Aroundx2 is 9 minutes and also a head-banger. The opposite of effeminate 72-74 Dead, but with more color than 68-70 Dead.

Everyone is right, there is a lot of amping up going on. But all the more reason for checking it out...this is a rare sound-period for the band.

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Poster: Driftin N Dreamin Date: Sep 13, 2007 3:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks 12 or 18

I think you should ask your wife if you can visit your balls, then take them back and go get both DP's.

Seriously though, I would go for DP 12.

This post was modified by Driftin N Dreamin on 2007-09-13 22:17:58

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Sep 13, 2007 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks 12 or 18

unfortunately visiting hours are over for the day, but thanks for the advice

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Poster: Hugo Fugerzev Date: Sep 13, 2007 3:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks 12 or 18

Hey that's an insensitive comment towards us fellows that only have one ball.
A foray into lsd and the running of the bulls. I won't go into detail.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 14, 2007 2:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks rundown

DP12 is as essential as any Dead can be, just for the China>Rider alone, let alone the Spanish Jam and the out-of-nowhere jam from the 28th on top of that.
But personally, I think #7 (from 9/74) and #31 (from 8/74) are also magical sets that can be played over, and over, and over.
DP19 (from 10/19/73) does have a nice disc 3; but many of the shows from Nov/Dec (especially the outstanding DP14) seem stronger to me. (I think Latvala said he would've liked to release lots of shows just from fall '73, but was overruled.)

DP18 is the absolute best that 1978 has to offer. Nothing else from that year comes close. (Well, maybe 1-22.)

And, well, there are a half-dozen DP's from '68-72 that are must-haves for anybody who likes the Dead, but I'm sure you didn't ask about those years since you have them all already! Nonetheless:
#22 (from 2/68) is like an Alternate Anthem, and probably as close to a definitive release from this tour as we'll get.
#16 (11/8/69) is a psychedelic carpet-ride and one of the most remarkable shows of the year. But #26 is also a very intense set that shows how strong they were in April '69.
#4 (2/70) has many fans; but if I could have only one Dead show, #8 (5/2/70) would be it.
#2 (10/31/71) is uneven, but has one of the happiest Dark Stars and Jerry's best-ever Not Fade Away solo!
#36 (9/21/72) was the last DP - it should have been the first. (Latvala, for some reason, released two other shows from the same week first.)

And it goes without saying that you already have all the DPs from '77, especially #3 & 29 from May? (I don't think the '76 picks were the best choices from that year.)
OK, sorry to bore you, be happy with your one pick!

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 14, 2007 5:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks rundown

May I make the case that you should reconsider adding DP #10 to your final list?

This 12/29/77 show is one of the greatest Dead performances ever.

Among the many many highlights are what I feel is the most intense, rock n roll letter-perfect NFA they ever did...the year's ONLY China>Rider (and it's killer), a can't miss first set, and a wonderful Playin' complete with reprise.

This show indicates perfectly how well the band always played at Winterland, and is the best night of that year-ending run.

(All that being said, DP #12 would be my 2nd choice--as noted above--if only for the Space>China>MLBJam>Rider sequence, which is beyond words to describe.)

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Dec 16, 2010 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks rundown

one of my top five china > riders. Also a stellar jack straw, bertha, and lots of other tunes.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Dec 16, 2010 7:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks rundown

Gots to love '77!!

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Poster: caspersvapors Date: Sep 14, 2007 9:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks rundown

I have both DP18 and the 1-22 show and I consider myself a 1978 connoisseur, however I contend that 4-12-78 is better than DP18

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Sep 14, 2007 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dicks picks rundown

lia,

Could you give me a quick review of DP36.


I have the Birdsong, Bigg RR, Playin, Dark Star, Dew, GDTRFB, He's Gone (9/3), and TOO (9/3). Do I really need the rest, or should I move on to others?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 14, 2007 7:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DP36

Sounds like you have most of the highlights of this set, so unless you're a complete-show completist, I think it's safe to move on to other picks -

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Sep 14, 2007 8:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DP36

Just what I wanted to hear my friend. Thanks.

I just finished DP12, which was excellent imo, and will check out the other two 74 DP's you mention. I have 24, would characterize it as good but not great.

Cheers.